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Invest 90L in the Tropical Atlantic
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, Saat: 11:35 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010 +1
Hi everybody, Dr. Rob Carver filling in for Dr. Masters while he's on vacation.

NHC has designated an area of thunderstorms in the tropical Atlantic as Invest 90L (8.5 N, 30.0 W). Microwave remote sensing suggests there are some decent storms in 90L, peak rain rates were around 1-2 inches/hours. According to CIMMS wind-shear analyses 90L is under 10-15 knots of shear with positive divergence aloft. The former isn't quite favorable for further development as it will ventilate the system, but the latter is favorable because it will aid in removing outflow from the storms. There's also a broad area of weak shear to the west and northwest of 90L's current position. Looking at the 500 mb height patterns, the steering currents for 90L are to the WNW, which will move it into the area of weaker shear and get it further away from the equator. This is important because if 90L stays south, it will have trouble developing a circulation. It will have a better chance of becoming a tropical cyclone once it goes north of 10N. The Saharan Air Layer is lurking just to the north of 90L. A WNW track would keep 90L out of the SAL, which is good for development.


Fig. 1 IR Satellite Composite of 90L taken at 540 PM EDT.


Fig. 2 Saharan Air Layer analysis courtesy of CIMMS.

Model Forecasts and Climatology
The 12Z Canadian model moves 90L to the WNW and develops tropical-storm force winds at the surface. The 12Z and 18Z GFS runs are less aggressive in intensifying 90L and adjusts the track so that 90L is moving to the WNW. Based on the run-to-run consistency, previous model verification (i.e. the Canadian model's tendency to overdo intensification), general synoptic pattern, I favor the GFS solution for now. Looking at climatology based on research done by Dr. Bob Hart at Florida State University, none of the tropical cyclones that passed within 1 degree of 90L's current position has ever made landfall. We'll have to keep an eye on this storm, but I don't think it's likely to be a major threat to the Caribbean or US.

Update
Dr. Masters says he'll update this blog entry with a discussion of the Moscow heatwaves later tonight.
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51. MiamiHurricanes09 Saat: 11:51 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
I agree with the 18z GFDL on the timing of the intensification of 90L. Intensity is still a bit overdone IMO, but could happen nevertheless. I also would agree with a tad more "left" track, however the GFDL has a poleward bias.
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52. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) Saat: 11:52 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
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53. TropicalAnalystwx13 Saat: 11:52 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
000
ABNT20 KNHC 292351
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT THU JUL 29 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWERS AND A FEW THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE ARE
MOVING ACROSS THE WINDWARD ISLANDS. THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF
ORGANIZATION AT THIS TIME...AND ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM
IS EXPECTED TO BE SLOW TO OCCUR AS IT MOVES GENERALLY WESTWARD AT
10 TO 15 MPH. LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS AND STRONG GUSTY WINDS COULD
AFFECT PORTIONS OF THE LESSER ANTILLES OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO.
THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER IS LOCATED OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC
OCEAN ABOUT 650 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. THIS
SYSTEM SHOWS SOME SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION...AND SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF
THIS DISTURBANCE IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT
MOVES SLOWLY TOWARD THE WEST OR WEST-NORTHWEST. THERE IS A LOW
CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN
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54. WeatherFromtheSouth Saat: 11:52 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
000
ABNT20 KNHC 292351
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT THU JUL 29 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWERS AND A FEW THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE ARE
MOVING ACROSS THE WINDWARD ISLANDS. THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF
ORGANIZATION AT THIS TIME...AND ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM
IS EXPECTED TO BE SLOW TO OCCUR AS IT MOVES GENERALLY WESTWARD AT
10 TO 15 MPH. LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS AND STRONG GUSTY WINDS COULD
AFFECT PORTIONS OF THE LESSER ANTILLES OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO.
THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER IS LOCATED OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC
OCEAN ABOUT 650 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. THIS
SYSTEM SHOWS SOME SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION...AND SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF
THIS DISTURBANCE IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT
MOVES SLOWLY TOWARD THE WEST OR WEST-NORTHWEST. THERE IS A LOW
CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN
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55. Levi32 Saat: 11:52 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Snowlover123:
Quote: Dr. Masters says he'll update this blog entry with a discussion of the Moscow heatwaves later tonight.

Great. The GW fanatics will get a big hit off of that.


Eh, how many people are dying from heat in Moscow? Hundreds are dying in Peru from cold, guess that isn't worth mentioning, ever. Oh well.
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56. Hurricanes101 Saat: 11:52 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting jeffs713:

And was further north.


yup it was
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57. CybrTeddy Saat: 11:53 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
20% still on 90L, good call.
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58. CybrTeddy Saat: 11:53 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER IS LOCATED OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC
OCEAN ABOUT 650 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. THIS
SYSTEM SHOWS SOME SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION
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59. Snowlover123 Saat: 11:53 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting WeatherFromtheSouth:
000
ABNT20 KNHC 292351
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 PM EDT THU JUL 29 2010

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWERS AND A FEW THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE ARE
MOVING ACROSS THE WINDWARD ISLANDS. THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF
ORGANIZATION AT THIS TIME...AND ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM
IS EXPECTED TO BE SLOW TO OCCUR AS IT MOVES GENERALLY WESTWARD AT
10 TO 15 MPH. LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS AND STRONG GUSTY WINDS COULD
AFFECT PORTIONS OF THE LESSER ANTILLES OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO.
THERE IS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

AN AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER IS LOCATED OVER THE EASTERN ATLANTIC
OCEAN ABOUT 650 MILES SOUTHWEST OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. THIS
SYSTEM SHOWS SOME SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION...AND SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF
THIS DISTURBANCE IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT
MOVES SLOWLY TOWARD THE WEST OR WEST-NORTHWEST. THERE IS A LOW
CHANCE...20 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE
DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN


NOOOOOOO!!!
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61. TropicalAnalystwx13 Saat: 11:54 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Eh, how many people are dying from heat in Moscow? Hundreds are dying in Peru from cold, guess that isn't worth mentioning, ever. Oh well.


SRACASM FLAG: ON
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62. Snowlover123 Saat: 11:54 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
g2g
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63. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) Saat: 11:55 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Eh, how many people are dying from heat in Moscow? Hundreds are dying in Peru from cold, guess that isn't worth mentioning, ever. Oh well.
but levi they can not call cold weather global warming kinda like having a global warming conference in jan during a blizzard it just don't fly
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64. TexasHurricane Saat: 11:55 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Eh, how many people are dying from heat in Moscow? Hundreds are dying in Peru from cold, guess that isn't worth mentioning, ever. Oh well.


Hi Levi, what do think of these two new circles? Should they work there way to the Carribean or more northward?
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65. MississippiWx Saat: 11:55 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
Wow. The TWO Hat Trick!


LOL. I had it copied and pasted because I had not seen it yet. However, my instinct told me to refresh the page one more time. My instinct was correct. Three in a row!
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67. Drakoen Saat: 11:56 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Snowlover123:


In your opinion Drak, which model is better? The GFDL or the HWRF?


Hard choice I'd go with the HWRF but it depends on the situation itself.
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68. jeffs713 Saat: 11:57 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
Kind of happy I will be off the blog beginning tomorrow until Sunday evening, during the formative stages of 90L.


I might just avoid the blog for the same reason. Will probably be checking other non-troll/spam/freakish blogs on here for info.
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69. weatherxtreme Saat: 11:57 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Cool deal! A new blob to look at finally. woo hoo!
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70. stormpetrol Saat: 11:58 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Out for the night , not that anyone cares, I still think too many including the NHC hang their hats too much on "models" case closed , watch , wait and see what unfolds!
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72. caneswatch Saat: 11:59 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


All models develop it, only one model keeps it weak...er.


My thoughts on 90L now:

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73. KimberlyB Saat: 11:59 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting KimberlyB:
Evenin' all.

Thanks Doc M.

Here's hoping it stays WAY south.


Sorry! I meant Dr. Carver. My bad.
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74. HurricaneSwirl Saat: 12:00 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Eh, how many people are dying from heat in Moscow? Hundreds are dying in Peru from cold, guess that isn't worth mentioning, ever. Oh well.


Someone posted an article earlier stating over 2,000. So yeah.
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75. sebastianflorida Saat: 12:01 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Guess I am watching the mess north of Bahamas alone, I have a sneaky suspicion something is going on in that mess; would not be surprised if something comes out of this, anyone else see it and have any educated opinions.
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76. earthlydragonfly Saat: 12:01 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Woooohoooooo a new blog.. finally.....

*****************************
Update
Dr. Masters says he'll update this blog entry with a discussion of the Moscow heatwaves later tonight.

*****************************

Uhhhh oooohhhhhhhh.... Can we just keep commenting on the blog?? lol
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77. HurricaneSwirl Saat: 12:01 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Repost from last blog:

Quoting jeffs713:

900mb is 15-20% more than surface. The % varies between storms, but 15-20 is a good guideline.


Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
So just a little but more than 80 knots. Thanks for the info!


Quoting Levi32:


About 82 knots.



Where are you guys getting that? 20% of 109 is 21.8, or around 22. 109-22 is 87. 15% of 109 is around 16. 109-16 is 93, so 87-93 knots, so more or less 90 knots rather than 80 knots. I think?

10 kts is a big difference to me XD
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79. Drakoen Saat: 12:03 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
90L is under 5-10 knots of wind shear
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80. HurricaneSwirl Saat: 12:03 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
man i wanted to reach 10000 on the other blog shoot


We can still post on the other blog and try and make it to 10000 reallly slowly lol.
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81. earthlydragonfly Saat: 12:04 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
man i wanted to reach 10000 on the other blog shoot


Go back and start talking about GW... You will be there in no time....


LMAO
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83. Twinkster Saat: 12:04 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
I think for Dr. carver to say that based on climatology that this most likely wouldn't be a major threat to the Caribbean or U.S. is absolutely ridiculous. Unless we get a monster trough there is no way this thing doesn't spend its journey going wnw-nw possibly going west in the long run
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84. cornchucker Saat: 12:04 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Two months into the hurricane season nearly and it looks like we won't have a serious storm for at least another 10 days. What's going on?
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85. caneswatch Saat: 12:05 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Twinkster:
I think for Dr. carver to say that based on climatology that this most likely wouldn't be a major threat to the Caribbean or U.S. is absolutely ridiculous. Unless we get a monster trough there is no way this thing doesn't spend its journey going wnw-nw possibly going west in the long run


I also agree with this. Also, I don't agree with anything somebody from FSU says :P
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86. Twinkster Saat: 12:06 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting caneswatch:


I also agree with this. Also, I don't agree with anything somebody from FSU says :P


LOL
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87. ElConando Saat: 12:06 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Eh, how many people are dying from heat in Moscow? Hundreds are dying in Peru from cold, guess that isn't worth mentioning, ever. Oh well.


I assume there are people dieing there as well.
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88. Levi32 Saat: 12:07 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting TexasHurricane:


Hi Levi, what do think of these two new circles? Should they work there way to the Carribean or more northward?


The 1st circle east of the Antilles is going straight through the southern Caribbean and will have to be watched for mischief farther west. Invest 90L will likely approach the northern Antilles but its exact track remains unclear, and at this time we can't really know whether it will spend any time in the Caribbean or not.
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89. wunderkidcayman Saat: 12:07 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
repost from last blog

wow that is very very good conditions for 90L

from RAMMB



from SSD

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90. MiamiHurricanes09 Saat: 12:07 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:
90L is under 5-10 knots of wind shear
Yeah I don't know where Dr. Carver got the 10-15 knots from. 18z SHIPS text also says that 90L is under 5 knots of shear.

SHEAR (KT) 5 9 8 8 11 9 12 10 7 8 5 10 7
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91. Levi32 Saat: 12:07 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting HurricaneSwirl:
Repost from last blog:








Where are you guys getting that? 20% of 109 is 21.8, or around 22. 109-22 is 87. 15% of 109 is around 16. 109-16 is 93, so 87-93 knots, so more or less 90 knots rather than 80 knots. I think?

10 kts is a big difference to me XD


Official recon flight-level wind reductions as stated at this year's NHC hurricane conference are as follows:


Recon Flight Wind reduction

1000 mb flight level = 80%

925 mb flight level = 75% (this one is closest to 900mb, so I used this one)

850 mb flight level = 80%

700 mb flight level = 90%
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92. earthlydragonfly Saat: 12:08 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting cornchucker:
Two months into the hurricane season nearly and it looks like we won't have a serious storm for at least another 10 days. What's going on?


(in the voice of that guy that does the Outback steak house commercials)

"DRAMA CASTER"
LOL
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93. angiest Saat: 12:08 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yeah I don't know where Dr. Carver got the 10-15 knots from. 18z SHIPS text also says that 90L is under 5 knots of shear.

SHEAR (KT) 5 9 8 8 11 9 12 10 7 8 5 10 7


SHIPS is junk. :)
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94. MiamiHurricanes09 Saat: 12:09 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting angiest:


SHIPS is junk. :)
LOL, not for looking at the environment a system is in.
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95. Twinkster Saat: 12:09 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
rob carver much respect to him as he does have the dr. title, didn't do his homework on 90L
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96. KimberlyB Saat: 12:10 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting earthlydragonfly:


Go back and start talking about GW... You will be there in no time....


LMAO


Can we not and pretend we did?

PLEASE?!?!?!
;)
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97. CyclonicVoyage Saat: 12:10 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:


Recent case of Bonnie going into Central Florida as Exhibit A.


GFDL has 90L moving northwest immediately. It's current movement is WSW with steering indicating a WNW movement soon. The model run is not valid, imo. Both the HWRF and GFDL are never good on their initial runs.
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98. ElConando Saat: 12:11 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yeah I don't know where Dr. Carver got the 10-15 knots from. 18z SHIPS text also says that 90L is under 5 knots of shear.

SHEAR (KT) 5 9 8 8 11 9 12 10 7 8 5 10 7


marginal to favorable development throughout the run shear wise.
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99. earthlydragonfly Saat: 12:11 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting KimberlyB:


Can we not and pretend we did?

PLEASE?!?!?!
;)


I meant on Doc's last blog entry.... Def not on this blog entry
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100. HurricaneSwirl Saat: 12:13 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Official recon flight-level wind reductions as stated at this year's NHC hurricane conference are as follows:


Recon Flight Wind reduction

1000 mb flight level = 80%

925 mb flight level = 75% (this one is closest to 900mb, so I used this one)

850 mb flight level = 80%

700 mb flight level = 90%


Ah! Ok, was using the 80-85% jeffs713 posted.

Is there a page that states that stuff so I can bookmark it?
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101. MechEngMet Saat: 12:13 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Temmuz 2010    
Good evening all, I just stopped in to see what condition the conditions were in.

Two blobs to watch is way better than the AGW blog. Could this be the start of the big seasonal push? Most were predicting another 10 days or perhaps a week away yet, but this could be the beginning of something big. I was rather enjoying the lull, and I'm certainly not wishing any storms on anyone. But as a realist I understand that all that heat energy has to go somewhere. Just as long as it stays out of SE LA. Fish storms are better. I don't think the economy could take another big hit anywhere in the south.

Oh well, Bourbon is over by the ice bucket, help yourselves...
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