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95L growing more organized; Pakistan's Indus River flood peaking downstream
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, Saat: 02:23 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010 +4
A tropical wave (Invest 95L) in the far eastern Atlantic about 350 miles southwest of the Cape Verdes Islands has become more organized this morning. Satellite loops show that the wave has some rotation, and heavy thunderstorm activity has increased in recent hours, after a period overnight with little change. Water vapor satellite loops show that there is some dry air to the north of 95L, but this dry air currently appears to be too far away to significantly interfere with development. The main impediment to development is the moderate 10 - 20 knots of wind shear over the system. The shear is forecast to remain in the moderate range through Monday, then decrease. This should allow 95L to develop into a tropical depression Monday or Tuesday. NHC is giving 95L a 30% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Monday morning. With 95L's recent increase in organization, these odds should probably be 50%.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 95L.

Forecast for 95L
A ridge of high pressure will force 95L to the west or west-northwest for the next five days, and the system should increase its forward speed from its current 5 - 10 mph to 15 - 20 mph by Monday. A series of two powerful troughs of low pressure are predicted to move off the U.S. East Coast next week and cross the Atlantic; these troughs should be able to pull 95L far enough to the northwest so that it will miss the Lesser Antilles Islands. If 95L stays weak or does not develop in the next five days, as predicted by the NOGAPS model, it has a chance of eventually threatening Bermuda. If 95L develops into a hurricane, as predicted by most of the computer models, it will probably recurve to the east of Bermuda and not threaten any land areas.

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model is predicting formation of a tropical depression in the western Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Texas 6 - 7 days from now.

Pakistan's monsoon rains diminish; Indus River flood crest nears the coast
The flooding on Pakistan's largest river, the Indus, has slowly eased along the upper and middle stretches where most of the heavy monsoon rains fell in late July and early August. However, a pulse of flood waters from these heavy rains is headed southwards towards the coast, and flood heights have risen to near all-time record levels today at the Indus River gauge station nearest to the coast, Kotri (Figure 2.) The new flooding has forced the evacuation of an additional 150,000 people in Pakistan today. Flood heights at every monitoring station along the Indus have been the highest or almost the highest since records began in 1947. Fortunately, the monsoon has entered a weak to moderate phase, and heavy rain is not expected over the flood region over the next few days, according to the Pakistan Meteorological Department.


Figure 2. August flow rates along the Indus River, courtesy of the Pakistan Meteorology Department.

Some aid agencies helping with humanitarian crisis in Pakistan:

Doctors Without Borders

The International Red Cross

MERLIN medical relief charity

The mobile giving service mGive allows one to text the word "SWAT" to 50555. The text will result in a $10 donation to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) Pakistan Flood Relief Effort.

Jeff Masters
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202. will45 Saat: 04:32 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Errr...


turns N after that at 150 hrs
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203. want2lrn Saat: 04:32 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting KanKunKid:



Thanks Atmo aggie! Now that's more like it! Something I can sink my teeth into.
Thanks for that reference as well. Now I can throw away my dog-eared copy of "Tropical forecasting for dummies".


Send it to me!
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204. PanhandleChuck Saat: 04:32 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Remember that I had ants move into the blower motor of my car 2 weeks before Gustav hit LA?
(you know, the AC-on, ant-shower thing)


No, didn't hear that one... Did they get ya bad?
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205. weathermancer Saat: 04:32 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting WeatherfanPR:


This cyclone has 2 eyes. lol
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207. atmoaggie Saat: 04:33 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Aye!
If this thing has trouble consolidating but spins up to a larger TS, beta could be important...
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208. Progster Saat: 04:34 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting want2lrn:


Send it to me!


i wanna copy too!
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209. weathermancer Saat: 04:34 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting jason2010xxxx:
HOW IS THE FISH STORM DOING.



The fish are starting to swim in circles now.
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211. TropicalAnalystwx13 Saat: 04:35 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    






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212. ShenValleyFlyFish Saat: 04:35 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
Arkansan (southern dialect)
Pears to me theys tryin to say sumpin like a gyroskope. The faster you pull the string the better it stands up. You got a bigun like a hurrycane the faster you spin it the more it wants to go up to the north pole on acount of the earth spinnin under it and bein a gyro too or sumpin like that.
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213. atmoaggie Saat: 04:35 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting PanhandleChuck:


No, didn't hear that one... Did they get ya bad?
Oddly, I don't have fire ants. Little black sugar ants that do bite, but is only slightly bothersome, thankfully, and no venom.
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214. Hhunter Saat: 04:35 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
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215. tkeith Saat: 04:36 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
Pears to me theys tryin to say sumpin like a gyroskope. The faster you pull the string the better it stands up. You got a bigun like a hurrycane the faster you spin it the more it wants to go up to the north pole on acount of the earth spinnin under it and bein a gyro too or sumpin like that.
thank ya Shen :)
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216. PanhandleChuck Saat: 04:36 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Oddly, I don't have fire ants. Little black sugar ants that do bite, but is only slightly bothersome, thankfully, and no venom.


Glad to here that, I despise the fire ants that I have around here
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217. atmoaggie Saat: 04:37 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
Pears to me theys tryin to say sumpin like a gyroskope. The faster you pull the string the better it stands up. You got a bigun like a hurrycane the faster you spin it the more it wants to go up to the north pole on acount of the earth spinnin under it and bein a gyro too or sumpin like that.
Well done! I have too many teeth to do an effective Arkansasan...
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218. kmanislander Saat: 04:37 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting StormW:


Aye!


Hi again.

A well defined surface low is taking shape rapidly. As I said earlier today Monday ( daytime ) is a long way off for TD status given the increased pace of organization but Monday ( between midnight Sunday and sunrise Monday ) seems possible given what I am seeing out there now. Sunday evening also not out of the question IMO.
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220. Tazmanian Saat: 04:37 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting Hhunter:



that is old they olny update evere 6 too 8 hrs or so




here is the most newest one

95L is looking a lot better this AM then a few hrs a go


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222. tkeith Saat: 04:38 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Well done! I have too many teeth to do an effective Arkansasan...
that's a common problem for people not from there...
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223. HurricaneGeek Saat: 04:39 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Standby for another left shift in model guidance.


Is this debate about WHEN it will recurve or IF?

Thanks.
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224. kmanislander Saat: 04:39 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Standby for another left shift in model guidance.


Yep. The next set will brush the NE islands.
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225. Barefootontherocks Saat: 04:39 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:

Beta, a mathematical notation, denotes the latitudinal variation of the Coriolis parameter or the latitudinal gradient of earth's angular speed. The Coriolis parameter, twice the component of the earth's angular velocity about the local vertical, has zero value at the equator, and becomes extreme at the pole (i.e., |1.4584E-4| radian per second). On the other hand, the beta parameter has a maximum value at the equator (i.e., 2.289E-11 per meter per second) and becomes zero at the pole.
...
The beta effect on a TC can be a function of the TC size, but not necessarily the TC intensity (DeMaria, 1985). When the TC size is small and the steering flow is moderate to strong (e.g., about 15 knots or 7.7 m/s), the direction of motion reflects the direction of the steering flow. When the TC size is large, the beta effect may have a major impact on the motion.

From here: http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/~chu/chap4/se100.htm

Part of a most excellent resource: Tropical Cyclone Forecasters' Reference Guide


Thanks, atmo. Was about to post some dialogue from "Professor" character in a movie script I wrote. lol Yours is a better, more detailed explanation of the beta effect in a storm system. Great link, too!

Add: And thanks StormW and Progster! Slow to catch up with posts.:)
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227. Hhunter Saat: 04:40 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
hmnmm storm w interesting
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228. Ossqss Saat: 04:40 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:
Oddly, I don't have fire ants. Little black sugar ants that do bite, but is only slightly bothersome, thankfully, and no venom.


Oh my, poleward ants, mushrooms and hurricanes. I better get back to yard work, seems safer ;)

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229. reedzone Saat: 04:40 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Standby for another left shift in model guidance.


Storm, don't do that!! You'll be called a wishcaster, west-caster, and those other things they call us people that look more at the pattern then forecast models. ;)
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230. HurricaneGeek Saat: 04:40 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


Yep. The next set will brush the NE islands.


Considering where the models are NOW, that's quite a big shift to the Left.
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232. atmoaggie Saat: 04:40 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting PanhandleChuck:


Glad to here that, I despise the fire ants that I have around here
Not sure why I don't have fire ants...

Could be due to the only 1 inch of top soil and all well-compacted clay around here. when using a post-hole digger, one "shaves" the clay. Tunneling in the stuff is probably impossible.

(I am in about the only place in SE LA that never was river delta/silt deposition.)
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233. MiamiHurricanes09 Saat: 04:40 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
95L has now begun to organize after its convective wane last night. Looking at satellite imagery banding features are slowly beginning to develop. The overall structure of 95L also looks a bit more consolidated as well. The surface circulation is also getting better defined as noted on total percipitable water. 95L is also under the influence of the Madden-Julian Oscillation providing a moister environment for development. Currently I would give this area a 60% chance of developing into a tropical cyclone, however, it will take time and it may not become a tropical depression until Monday (conservatively).


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234. Hhunter Saat: 04:41 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
kman and storm concur..now I am perking up some...
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235. TropicalAnalystwx13 Saat: 04:41 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    




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236. beell Saat: 04:41 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting atmoaggie:

What prog and storm said are true as well. There are 2 different things at play for this invest:
1. Upper level winds would affect a stronger system more, effectively drawing it north as a trough moves by
2. Beta effect drawing a larger system poleward, exclusive of steering winds.


95L does have some room for beta effect to provide latitude gain. More so in this system than others.

Add a touch of coriolis sauce.

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237. HurricaneGeek Saat: 04:42 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting StormW:


When.


Thanks.
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238. washingtonian115 Saat: 04:43 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
ACE is going to go up up up according to the 12z GFS with Danielle just meandering around...Shows her as a MH

And it also shows her out to sea.Yay.
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239. Hhunter Saat: 04:43 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
yea but storm "wishcasting" is more like a forecast...lol
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240. will45 Saat: 04:43 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
thinking GFS has blowed thisone big time
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241. MiamiHurricanes09 Saat: 04:44 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


Yep. The next set will brush the NE islands.
Likely that they will.
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242. IKE Saat: 04:44 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting will45:
thinking GFS has blowed thisone big time


Then just about all of them have blown it....
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243. breald Saat: 04:44 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting NOLALawyer:


I don't know about that. The models have been off quite a bit. Here is my little take on things. The two storms that have had the most personal impact on me, Andrew and Katrina, did things they weren't predicted to do by models and forecasts. So, until a storm is 100% not coming my way, I don't trust either. We have a saying down here, "Don't like the weather? Give it an hour and it will change." The weather changes, and changes frequently. So while X is "supposed" to happen, does not mean that Y won't happen instead.



I am saying so far this year. Didn't they implement something this year that was suppose to help predict the storms more accurately? I thought I read that some place.
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244. will45 Saat: 04:45 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting IKE:


Then just about all of them have blown it....


well GFS is developing it way to early
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245. kmanislander Saat: 04:46 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting HurricaneGeek:


Considering where the models are NOW, that's quite a big shift to the Left.


The previous runs are too far to the right given where the system is now. The new initialization further W and S will almost certainly bring it further West. As it is the runs are not far from the Leeward Islands.
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246. Tazmanian Saat: 04:46 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
mode runs has been showing some kind of a hit for Bermuda from 95L and its going to be a hard it
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247. ShenValleyFlyFish Saat: 04:46 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
that's a common problem for people not from there...
I'll have you to know ever one uv my teeth is my vury oln. I paid good cash dollars fer them when thy had em in stock fer halleyween over to the Pigly Wiggly! D@mnit!!
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249. MiamiHurricanes09 Saat: 04:47 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
This satellite loop depicts quite well the circulation of 95L, and shows that 95L has pretty good spin overall. Based on that loop I would put the circulation at 11N 32W (approximately).
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250. weathermancer Saat: 04:48 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:
mode runs has been showing some kind of a hit for Bermuda from 95L and its going to be a hard it


So, the ants were right !!!
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251. JRRP Saat: 04:48 PM GMT Tarih: 21 Ağustos 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


The previous runs are too far to the right given where the system is now. The new initialization further W and S will almost certainly bring it further West. As it is the runs are not far from the Leeward Islands.

yea
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