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A new airplane for the hurricane hunters
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, Saat: 04:45 PM GMT Tarih: 01 Mayıs 2006 +0
If you have a copy of Google Earth, try zooming in to take a look at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base near Tucson, Arizona. Included amongst the thousands of retired airplanes in the desert is one lucky 4-engine turboprop P-3 Orion, used by the Navy for anti-submarine warfare. This sword will soon be beaten into a plowshare, for it will serve as NOAA's next weather research aircraft. Stung by criticism that neither of our top hurricane hunter aircraft--the two P-3 Orions operated by NOAA's Aircraft Operations Center (AOC)--were available to fly during 2004's Hurricane Charley, since they were off flying other weather research projects, the government has allocated $11 million to buy a new P-3 for weather research. According to Dr. Jim McFadden, head of science programs for the AOC, the new P-3 will not be used for hurricane work, but instead will be outfitted to do other weather reasearch, such as air pollution projects. This will free up the two current P-3s for the entire hurricane season, so they can concentrate exclusively on hurricane work. No funding has yet been procured to finance the additional staff required by NOAA's Aircraft Operations Center to operate the new P-3, but this funding has been promised by NOAA.


Figure 1. The NOAA P-3 Orion hurricane hunter aircraft. Image credit: NOAA's Aircraft Operations Center.

The new P-3 is scheduled to come on-line in 2008 or 2009, but we could sure use it this hurricane season! Only one P-3 is scheduled to be available for hurricane work. The other P-3 is currently in Standard Depot Level Maintainence (SDLM), a 5-month process the airplanes undergo every seven years, where they are basically gutted down to the frame and rebuilt. As part of this year's SDLM, the P-3 will also be undergoing a Special Structural Inspection (SSI), where every rivet is X-rayed and the entire frame closely inspected for stress cracks caused by the severe turbulence the aircraft flies through. When the P-3 completes SDLM, it will undergo a month-long process to outfit it with special instrumentation to perform air pollution research. The P-3 is scheduled to be ready by August to fly again, and it is slated to spend the peak months of hurricane season--August and September--in Houston for an air pollution field program. Should the other P-3 suffer some crippling mechanical problem that would put it out of hurricane flying action for an extended period, the P-3 in Houston will be summoned to fly hurricanes. This can only happen after a 3-day effort to take all the sentitive air pollution instrumentation off of the airplane, as these instruments cannot survive high turbulence.

Since only one P-3 will be available for the 2006 hurricane season, we'll have only one Stepped Frequency Microwave Radiometer (SFMR) instrument flying. The SFMR is an airborne remote sensing device that can infer surface wind speeds in a hurricane by looking at the brightness of the sea surface. The SFMR measurements were used heavily by NHC in 2005 to determine how much of the coast needed hurricane and tropical storm warnings. The U.S. Air Force Reserve's 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron C-130 hurricane hunter aircraft are scheduled to receive the SFMR instruments, but this will not happen in time for the 2006 hurricane season, according to Dr. McFadden.

What's interesting about the new P-3 purchase is that no big press release about it was made--at least that I can find. It is strange that an administration concerned about its image after the Katrina disaster wouldn't emphasize its commitment spend more money to help out hurricane reconnaissance. In addition to the new P-3, the administration has also proposed in its 2006 budget to spend $1.4 million to improve hurricane data buoys and operations in the Caribbean, Gulf of Mexico, and Atlantic Oceans. Unfortunately, little new money has been approved or promised to fund more hurricane research. While I give the Bush Administration credit for these much-needed expenditures, I believe that the money proposed to fix the ailing buoys might have been better spent funding NOAA's Hurricane Research Division to do more research to improve our poor hurricane intensity forecasts.

Jeff Masters
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301. jeffB Saat: 03:32 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
rxse7en wrote:

My prediction is that Jacksonville, my street in particular, will see 12 cat 5 storms in the month of July.

Complete with flying pigs and monkeys.


Now, see, that's just the kind of irresponsible comment we're talking about. How would you feel if people were injured or killed because they listened to your advice instead of heeding actual warnings from the Federal Porcine and Primate Aviation Administration?
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302. hurricanechaser Saat: 03:33 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Hey Creg,

Naurally, I agree with you on those predictions, although I am kinda wavering on the 12 category fives for rx honestly.:)

The only difference I guees is a Carolinas landfall, what do you think of that prospect this season?
303. Sheraqueenofthebeach Saat: 03:35 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Welcome Back, Lefty!
Hows the wife and kids?
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304. franck Saat: 03:37 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Barefoot...thanks.
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305. hurricanechaser Saat: 03:40 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Hey Lefty,

I am a big believer in the all important AMO cycle and obviously you would have had to be 13 or 14 naturally during the Inactive phase of the AMO cycle and that makes perfect sense.

The one year that stands out as an unusual active season especialy for landfalls is 1985 (the second year I really started folowing and tracking every storm at age 15) where there were 6 hurricane landfalls with Elena and Gloria making landfalls at category three intensity.

Moreover, that same year hurricane Kate achieved category three intensity in late November and made landfall as a category two in the Florida panhandle.

Naturally, this one season was very unusual during the Inactive phase of the AMO as you just noted.:)


307. sayhuh Saat: 03:42 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
I know I am going to regret saying this, but I find it interesting that some within this space find so much wisdom and value from those that can't write complete sentences or spell. I am aware that this skill does not necessarily discount the meteorology knowledge base - and we all take short cuts in writing, but it does make it harder to understand when you have to re-read paragraphs more than three times to determine context.
308. hurricanechaser Saat: 03:45 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Hey Stormtop,

Thanks for the kind words:)

Nothing I have predicted is unusual and is simply my personal best educated guess.:)

I may be wrong and I may be right, only God knows that answer right now.

You have a right to your opinion even if it happens to be wrong like your infamous Katrina forecast you keep bragging about.:)

Unlike you, I think you simply made an incorrect forecast and that doesn't make you an idiot in my humble opinion.

309. LakeWorthFinn Saat: 03:45 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
This just fantastic, WELCOME LEFTY AND STORMTOP,
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310. louastu Saat: 03:46 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Posted By: rxse7en at 3:05 PM GMT on May 02, 2006.
My prediction is that Jacksonville, my street in particular, will see 12 cat 5 storms in the month of July.

LOL. What about the rest of the season? Or are you just assuming there won't be anything left?
311. hurricanechaser Saat: 03:47 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Hey Stormtop,

Can I ask you a serious question?

How can you say I have already made a big mistake by saying that I think it is possible that the Carolinas might see a major hit this year when it hasn't even begun?

312. STORMTOP Saat: 03:48 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
thanks lakeworth its good to be back
313. LakeWorthFinn Saat: 03:48 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Shera, (((hi))), the circle IS complete, WELCOME BACK LEFTY AND STORMTOP!
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314. 147257 Saat: 03:49 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
hmmz i dont like that whole la nina thing
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315. hurricanechaser Saat: 03:50 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
You then call me an idiot and moron because I said that I think it could start as early as mid July (early season activity out there) or into August, why is that so har to understand.

If you want to put an unofficial date on it, it is understood that Cape Verde season usualy gets going August 15 just for the record.

However, tropical activity doesn't care too much for the calendar as you know sometimes.:)

316. Cregnebaa Saat: 03:53 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Link

not much dust out there just yet
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317. louastu Saat: 03:54 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Posted By: STORMTOP at 3:26 PM GMT on May 02, 2006.
hurr chaser you are a real idiot anyone hopes for a landfall on the east coast is crazy..i been listening to your b/s and i cant wait to see your forecasts once the season begins..you have already made one mistake a major lanfall on the east coast..la nina is expected to hang around until late june or early july and that spells one thing trouble for the gulf states..i really like your posts unaccurate and unintelligent like you are..by the way you were talking about the cape verde season well you ididot for youe information it begins aug 1 any moron that would make a prediction that you would have increase of activity is almost a given thing...one thing you fail to realize is the african coast has not had as much rain as they did at this time last year and the famous african dust will take over once again..storms will not do to much off the african coast its when they are 300 miles or so from the winward islands providing the shear is down that they will start to develop and move into the caribbean sea and threaten jamaica..the gulf is where the bullseye will be again this year chaser and if you cant see that by the temps already over 84 degrees and the less shear we will have because of la nina then you are more of a fool then i thought you were..

I have marked this comment as obscene. Calling someone an idiot (multiple times I might add) is very childish.
318. StormJunkie Saat: 03:54 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Ahh the old crew back together again.

What's up Lefty, StormT, and Chaser?

I see I have a lot to catch up on.

Is there anything that indicates where the Bermuda high will set up this year and what it's tendancies will be? I would think this will be a huge factor in where these storms end up. My gut tends to agree with ST about the Gulf being the more active area this year, but I can not ignore that things have been fairly quite on the E coast for several years now and that trend will not last forever. NE Fla and GA are way overdue if you look at the statistics. Anywho I am at work and will check in later, but I will have to catch up on most of the posts when I get home.

If ya'll have any links to sites (imagery,forcasting, etc) please shoot them my way and if you have the time a short description of the site would be great. Also still looking for video and video links

SJ
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319. LakeWorthFinn Saat: 03:54 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
ooops, just got cable back and thought my first post didn't enter...

Gotta go to work, will be looking forward to blogging now that I have internet- yessssss!!!!

So sorry atmosweather for the trouble you are going through, hope you'll get all back in order soon, we need you too!

Regards from Damon and code1, just got off the phone.
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320. 147257 Saat: 03:55 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
why are we throwing that much predictions if we dont have all the data analysed what other people do for their predictions?
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321. STORMTOP Saat: 03:58 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
im going to say this again chaser and it might just sink in that so called brain of yours...LA NINA is going to stay around until june or early july..that cools the water temps off the east coast and explodes the development in the gulf and caribbean..im not saying n car or even further up the east coast wont have a tropical storm or a cat 1 hurricane but it will not and i repeat will not have the temperatures and the hot conditions it needs to spawn a cat 4 or 5...one other thing you have to put into the equation chaser the azores high not the bermuda high will be far more south like last year and it will allow for the bermuda high to protect and build over the eastern seaboard....the gulf and caribbean will see many storms this year and it will be and early long drawn out hurricane season..im prediting 8 major hurricanes 4 striking along the gulfcoast...i will give you more input as the early season progresses...
322. franck Saat: 03:59 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Louastu...to be interested or awed by the physics of weather is fine, even to wonder at storms as they impact physical obstacles, but it is in the poorest taste to wish or want a storm on a particular area. Take it from someone who has experienced a serious flood event, it is a depreesing and emotionally scarring thing.
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323. StormJunkie Saat: 03:59 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
louastu,
Get your feelings off your shoulder. Just because you do not agree with ST, which many of us do not from time to time, does not make his post obscene. I have seen obscene posts on here as many of us have. Likely laid one or two out myself. We have been through all of this already. StormTop is welcome here and if you can play along you can learn from everyone. Even the ones you don't like.
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325. leftyy420 Saat: 04:03 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
hey sj my white negro lol. been missing you man
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326. Barefootontherocks Saat: 04:03 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Lou, "Idiot" is not an obscenity. Now f*ing idoit, Da*n idiot, yeah. But just plain Idiot, might not be politically correct blogging etiquette but it aint obscene.
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327. cyclonebusted Saat: 04:03 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
I thought the Bermudan and Azorian high were the same thing, just where it had positioned itself, at any moment in time.

328. StormJunkie Saat: 04:04 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
I'll be intrested to see if you are right about the E coast sea temps ST. We set records out there last year and still did not have a lot of activity. I think that is because of the highs, which as I said I tend to agree with you that the highs Bermuda and Azores will help keep storms to the south this year, but I don't buy the sea surface temp deal. E coast sea temps will be hot as hell again this year granted not as hot as the gulf, but certainly hot enough to maintain a 4 or 5 in to the Carolinas maybe even VA if it is moving fast enough.
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329. leftyy420 Saat: 04:05 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
st i thought la nina helps the whole east coast and atlantic not just the gulf and carribean and the same current that feeds the gulf and carribean feeds the gulf streem off thbe east coast. i feel ur logic is slightly flawed but i feel ya
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330. hurricanechaser Saat: 04:05 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
hey stormtop,

sorry about the typing for i am holding my baby. did you just say that the bermuda hifgh and the azores high are going to be in two different locations.
331. StormJunkie Saat: 04:06 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
I don't think white negro is PC either lefty. LMFAO.
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332. leftyy420 Saat: 04:06 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
also i think the corrolation with la nina is that durring el nino we see more cape verde storsm which tend to reach the east coast rather than the gulf but i do not belive that la ninia affects the east coast as stated by ST but i could be wrong. i also thought that the cooling and warming of the pacific only deals with wind patterns not water gtemps and shear is the biggest factor in where and when a tropical system will form
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333. hurricanechaser Saat: 04:06 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
hey cyclonebuster,

that where i was going with that question to stormtop and i don't know what i am talking about...lol
335. cyclonebusted Saat: 04:07 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Don't forget the Jamaican high, I love it when thats around!
336. hurricanechaser Saat: 04:08 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
if you read my blogs on weather basics stormtop maybe you would know that the bermuda high and azores high is the same high pressure system and it is called these two names because it migrates between these two areas..

bermuda and the azores.
337. cyclonebusted Saat: 04:09 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Buster my alter ego, your back!
338. rxse7en Saat: 04:09 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Louastu & JeffB,

My predictions are so bad, that if I predict them to come here they'll most likely hit Australia.

And these small, street-sized hurricanes that I predict can easily be stopped with the massive methane emissions from my Boston Terrier.

People, if you heed any of my predictions, heed this one--Boston Terrier farts are DEADLY and there will be many this summer.

B
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339. sayhuh Saat: 04:09 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Amusing and sad at the same time. Lou, I agree with you. Additionally, I have a hard time getting behind opinions that consist of name calling and little substance. This early, it is impossible to say what is and is not going to happen. Further, to go ahead and definitively discount other opinions and do it in a method of name calling is perhaps the quality of discussion I would expect from a third grader.

StormTop - I guess I am one of the few that is/was glad of your absence if this is the insight you bring.

340. STORMTOP Saat: 04:10 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
chaser you need to learn the atmospheric conditions that are around us and i havent heard you comment on the azores high that has a big say in what type of hurricane season we will have..if i had to make and educated guess i dont think you even know what the azores high is ..ill leave it at that and everyone is entitled to there opinion even if i dont agree..tell me chaser how do you think the azores high efeects hurricane development?tell me everything and please leave the bermuda ridge out of the equation...if you want to learn somethingthe azores high determines where the bermuda ridge will set up..
341. weatherguy03 Saat: 04:11 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
i also thought that the cooling and warming of the pacific only deals with wind patterns not water gtemps and shear is the biggest factor in where and when a tropical system will form

Correct leftyy, but it does tend to create a warmer Gulf, because of the fact of a warmer, drier pattern for the SE due to La Nina.
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342. weatherguy03 Saat: 04:14 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Ahhh, its like one big happy family again!!..LOL
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343. StormJunkie Saat: 04:17 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Like we never missed a beat huh WG03?
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344. weatherguy03 Saat: 04:18 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Except Leftyy is still using that dang keyboard!!..LOL
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345. StormJunkie Saat: 04:18 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
ST are you sick today? What happened to the CAPS? I almost did not recognize you.lol.
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346. STORMTOP Saat: 04:19 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
no weather guy my friend i will give my opinions if asked ...if not i will just sit here and listen to you guys forecast..i learned my lesson big time from katrina like i said it was like staring death in the face..i saw everything in that storm hail which is almost unheard of lightning lots of it and plenty of thunder...very unusual storm..
347. atmosweather Saat: 04:19 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
Hey StormTop, Lefty, Tony, rx, cyclonebuster,

It is great to see everyone back before the start of what looks to be another hyperactive season in the Atlantic. I am currently preparing my outlook and hope to be finished with the comprehensive update tomorrow.

Have a great afternoon,

Rich
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348. cyclonebusted Saat: 04:20 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
ST, on the RHS of the letters on the keyboard are punctuation marks, please use them.
An extra few paragraphs per post would be splendid as well.
349. franck Saat: 04:20 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
rxse7en...down with terrier breeds as possible snuffers of small hurricanes. Enormous methane producers. Gather a few of those guys on a movable offshore platform, and they could dissipate almost any cyclonic presence!!
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350. franck Saat: 04:22 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
further clarification of last statement..'down with terrier breeds as' is current slang meaning 'in agreement with'..
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351. Inyo Saat: 04:24 PM GMT Tarih: 02 Mayıs 2006    
I think you are wrong about La Nina... it's finished. the tiny pool that is left in the far eastern pacific isnt enough to be a major factor. I'd even go so far as to say it will be at least a weak El Nino in the next 2 years

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