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Sea life's importance to the climate
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, Saat: 02:45 PM GMT Tarih: 29 Mayıs 2007 +2
Does the marine biosphere mix the ocean? A group of oceanographers led by W.K. Dewar of Florida State University argue that the swimming action of fish and other marine organisms may play a critical role in driving ocean currents. If true, large-scale over-fishing or the collapse of the marine food chain due to pollution or ocean acidification may cause significant changes in ocean currents--and Earth's climate.


Figure 1. Rainbow made From a sperm whale using his blowhole. Image taken June 17, 2006 in Kaikora, New Zealand by wunderphotographer jhfelder.

The Meridional Overturning Circulation (MOC) or Thermohaline Circulation is a well-known feature of the ocean circulation. In the Atlantic, the Gulf Stream current forms a portion of the MOC. Gulf Stream waters flow to the region near Greenland, where an input of fresh, denser water from melting ice and river run-off creates a downward flow of water that then moves southward along the ocean bottom towards the Equator. This deep water eventually returns to the surface in the mid-Atlantic to complete a cell of the MOC. Scientists have long thought that the energy needed to drive the MOC came from winds and tides--about two terrawatts of energy (Munk and Wunsch, 1998). However, Dewar et al. show that the mechanical energy added to the ocean by the swimming action of whales is about 1% of this total, and the swimming action of other marine organisms (primarily zooplankton) adds up to 50% of this total--one terrawatt of energy. While the authors admit that their calculations may have large errors, this research shows that marine life may have a heretofore unappreciated large impact on Earth's climate. Our climate is intimately connected to the sun, life on land, life in the ocean, and human activities in an incredibly complex web of interconnections. It is our challenge to understand this system, even as we change it and it changes of its own accord.

My next blog will be Thursday afternoon, when the new Dr. Bill Gray/Phil Klotzbach Atlantic hurricane season forecast will be released.

Jeff Masters

Dewar, W.K., R.J. Bingham, R.L. Iverson, D.P. Nowacek, L.C. St. Laurent, and P.H. Wiebe, 2006, "Does the marine biosphere mix the ocean?", Journal of Marine Research, 64, 541-561.

Munk, W., and C. Wunsch, 1998, "Abyssal recipes II: Energetics of tidal and wind mixing", Deep-Sea Res., 45, 1976-2009.
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352. melwerle Saat: 12:40 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
working working working. Cooking breakfast at o-early hundred for the wealthy and it's killing me! I think I'm going to go back to publishing soon as the hours in this biz ARE TERRIBLE. Lurking around here and there - getting a kick over the fights on global warming this afternoon - seemed like it was "let's beat up Nash Day" this afternoon. Anyone heard from Randrewl at all? I know what happened last year but I'm sure he's got to be back... How have you been?
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355. sarepa Saat: 12:49 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
i play and have a hurrican hunter
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359. hurricane23 Saat: 01:08 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Really enjoyed the show especially the history segments.
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360. kmanislander Saat: 01:12 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
From the 8:05 discussion

The Caribbean Sea...
a sfc trough remains in the Caribbean along 20n81w 12n80w. A
weak 1010 mb low is along the trough near 15n81w which is
expected to dissipate through Wed. Scattered showers and
isolated tstms are within 150nm either side of the trough axis.
Upper diffluence around ridging is supporting isolated moderate
convection off the Colombian coast S of 15n between 70w-80w.

The NHC have finally placed the low where I indicated it was from late this morning. It remains to be seen whether it dissipates or not. Other than that not much else going on for now
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362. weatherblog Saat: 01:15 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Hey everybody and good evening.

Come to my blog on the top of my page after you click my name. It has a lot of information that's going on with this caribbean system. It'll explain everything that's going on. Thanks!

-Justin~
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363. weatherblog Saat: 01:17 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Posted By: Chicklit at 1:14 AM GMT on May 30, 2007.

Ummm...I didn't see the Miss Universe pageant and don't quote me on this, but one of my friends told me not to drink Coronas anymore because because uh, they...(Hint: It's the same color as beer.) Why do you think you add the lime?:)
Getting back to the weather, was there a La Nina in 2004?



No, actually it was a weak El Nino.
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364. Chicklit Saat: 01:21 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
...Thanks, Weatherblog. Because that was the year we got hit 4 times in Central Florida, after years of pretty much being left alone.
Do the storms in the earlier part of the season usually come up from the Caribbean and then later on come off of Africa?
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365. kmanislander Saat: 01:22 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Hi Chicklit

Just for you LOL

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366. Chicklit Saat: 01:27 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Mmmm...Thanks K-man! That looks good enough to guzzle! Think I'll go pour me a cold one...
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367. HurricaneGeek Saat: 01:27 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Hey, Good evening everybody!!
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368. nash28 Saat: 01:30 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Evening everyone. Just finished a dinner party. What's up?
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369. kmanislander Saat: 01:33 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Posted By: Chicklit at 1:21 AM GMT on May 30, 2007.

...Thanks, Weatherblog. Because that was the year we got hit 4 times in Central Florida, after years of pretty much being left alone.
Do the storms in the earlier part of the season usually come up from the Caribbean and then later on come off of Africa?

Essentially that is correct. From the start of the season until mid to late July most storms have their genesis in the Caribbean or the GOM. From mid to late July until the end of Sept we have what is known as the Cape Verde storms that start off as waves of low pressure on the West African coast and then traverse the Atlantic, often becoming very intense hurricanes of cat 4 or 5. The reason for this is that those are the months when all the conditions are just about right in the tropical Atlantic and, furthermore, the systems have thousands of miles of open warm water to strenghten on. Come Oct and Nov we revert to the Caribbean for the breeding ground of tropical systems as wind shear tends to be too strong across the Atlantic by then
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370. HurricaneGeek Saat: 01:34 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
hey Nash
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372. kmanislander Saat: 01:37 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Posted By: nash28 at 1:30 AM GMT on May 30, 2007.

Evening everyone. Just finished a dinner party. What's up?


Hi Nash

Not much going on. We have had some of everything on here today. I guess that happens when everyone is waiting for something to happen on this side of the tropics
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373. Tazmanian Saat: 01:40 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
whats down lol
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374. weatherboykris Saat: 01:42 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
FLBoy....it's interesting,but not very important.They all sound weak and well,inconsequential.
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376. kmanislander Saat: 02:00 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
well good night all
looks like everyone has wound down for the evening
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377. kmanislander Saat: 02:03 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
One final post. Big burst of dust over the ATL.

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379. HCW Saat: 02:05 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Melbourn NWS

VIRTUALLY EVERY AVBL MODEL(NAM/GFS/UKM/ECM/CMC/NGP) AND EVEN SOME
OF LESSER KNOWN ONES (JMA/KMA-GDAPS) SHOW A DISCRETE LOW PRES SYSTEM GRADUALLY SPINNING UP ACROSS THE NW CARIBBEAN OVER THE NEXT 2-3 DAYS... THEN TURNING N/NEWD AND MOVING ACROSS FL OR VERY NEARLY SO...WITH THE SAT DAYTIME PD...GIVE OR TAKE A BIT...BEING THE BROAD CONSENSUS ON TIME FRAME FOR POTENTIAL EFFECTS ON SENSIBLE WX.
HOWEVER...EVEN WITH THIS LOOSE CONSENSUS...AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOW GETTING INTO THE DAY 3 TO 4 FCST TIME FRAME...CAVEATS STILL ABOUND.

NOTWITHSTANDING THE PREVIOUS MODEL "FALSE ALARMS"...THERE REMAIN SIGNIFICANT DIFFS BETWEEN THE MODELS - ENOUGH SO TO REMAIN WARY OF COMPLETELY BUYING INTO A HIGH POP/QPF EVENT FOR AT LEAST PART OF THE
CWA. FOR INSTANCE...SOME OF THE GUIDANCE (ECM/NGP/GFS) STILL KEEP THE SYSTEM FAR ENOUGH SOUTH/EAST SUCH THAT MUCH OF THE PRECIP MISSES ECFL...ALBEIT NOT BY MUCH. OTHERS (UKM/CMC/JMA...WITH THE H84 NAM
HINTING AS SUCH) BRING THE LOW FAR ENOUGH NORTH ACROSS THE ERN GOMEX TO GIVE THE CTRL PENINSULA HIGH POPS/DECENT QPF.

Hardcoreweather.com
Link
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380. weatherblog Saat: 02:12 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Everybody check out my new entered blog on this caribbean system. It's the first blog on my page. It is all about the Eastern Pacific and about potential caribbean development. Thanks everybody!

-Justin~
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381. Pachanga Saat: 02:47 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
That article and the study are absolutely absurd. What’s next, fish really control the tides too? If you want the truth about manmade global warming, follow the money. This article for example: how much did these guys get from grants, books, speeches, etc to print this garbage? The money available to scientist, professors and politicians willing to support the notion of climate change (manmade) is enough to make most of them rich and gain them some attention and notoriety. Just ask Mr. Climate himself (Gore) how lucrative it is.
382. cajunkid Saat: 02:56 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Any body watching deadliest catch?
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383. weatherboykris Saat: 02:57 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
No.
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384. weatherboykris Saat: 02:57 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
If we were watching it,how would we know you had asked the question until after the show had ended,by which point the answer would be 'no'.
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385. HurricaneFCast Saat: 02:58 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Pachanga- That's not about Global Warming, it's about Animals and their effect on Oceanic Currents...


Forum Giant
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386. weatherboykris Saat: 03:00 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
HrruicaneFCast--I have to disagree with you.The effects the findings,if true,would have on GW are implied.Put simply,overfishing would lead to a slowing of the thermohaline circulation.Which actually would cool the world.
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387. cajunkid Saat: 03:03 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Since your so bent on being pessimistic. Some people have a TV by their computer or do work on their laptop. Maybe that's just me. It looks kinda quiet out there, I just thought some other people enjoyed the discovery channel. Sorry dude.
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388. weatherboykris Saat: 03:04 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
LOL,it was just a joke.
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389. cajunkid Saat: 03:06 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
by the way I don't make comments on GW any more. Its an oxymoron discussion. You can't sensibly discuss it without someone heart aching into politics.
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390. HurricaneFCast Saat: 03:15 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
The Pacific ocean is becoming very active, and it's still early in its season. Alvin will not be a threat to land but Tropical Depression 2-E will. People in South and Southwestern Mexico should keep an eye out because atmospheric conditions favor rapid strengthening of this system, despite it's close proximity to land. It's looking rather healthy at the moment, but it is a product of the ITCZ, which is most likely the reason for excessive convection. Here's a link to Satellite Imagery of this system:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t7/loop-avn.html

I believe this system will bring devastating flooding and mudslides to portions of Mexico, that's in the near future, however, as for the potential for devastating winds as well, we'll have to wait and see.

Forum Giant- Weather Forum
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391. Pachanga Saat: 03:20 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Hurricanefcast- you're right, I read so much about GW everyday that I carelessly linked the two together. Regardless, till an absurb theory.
393. Alec Saat: 03:23 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
*sigh*...here we go again about GW....I dont care what you say, as long as I can get some rain!LOL
394. HurricaneFCast Saat: 03:25 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Kris- While I respect your quest to repudiate opposing posts, refrain from ubiquitously participating in said practice. It only encourages personal attacks.
With that said, My simple point was that Dr. Master's post was not directly associated with Global Warming, it was more of a post regarding another newly discovered Natural Climatic Element that humans could inadvertently manipulate.

Oh and Weatherboykris- You do realize you stated the a slowing of the Thermohaline Circulation would result in a cooling of the earth. That's not Global Warming.
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395. HurricaneFCast Saat: 03:27 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Pachanga- Thanks for your positive attitude, not many people are as modest these days... I know what you mean about excessive discussions on GW though.. It gets annoying.
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396. Tazmanian Saat: 03:27 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
what if a cat 5 hit new york


what if i got ran overe by a train


what if FL got 15' of rain in 2 hrs time




lol
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397. cajunkid Saat: 03:27 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
I devoted six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian government to estimate carbon emissions from land use change and forestry. When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty conclusive, but since then new evidence has weakened that case. I am now skeptical. (not my article)
Link

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398. Tazmanian Saat: 03:37 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
what if Mount St. Helens Eruption

what if Long Valley Caldera Eruption

what if a cat 5 hurricane hit FL with out Warning


what if a cat 5 hit new york with out Warning
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400. Alec Saat: 03:38 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
Taz, you are crazy to think like that!
401. Tazmanian Saat: 03:41 AM GMT Tarih: 30 Mayıs 2007    
: Jedkins wow
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